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IbeLeaf
11-17-2007, 05:06 AM
As an absolute beginner to playing goal, I spent a lot of time researching and pricing equipment.

In the end, I went with mostly the least expensive, beginner level equipment I could find that I heard good things about. After my first time out, I've decided to let you all know what I think. This is from one beginner to others who don't know where to begin just like myself less then a month ago.

The first question I had was, what equipment do I need?

I made a list of everything I needed to play goal, and I was starting from scratch.

I ended up getting everything brand new, except for my catcher and blocker, only because I didn't have much time to shop around and find good deals. I ended up spending a grand total of $2300 for everything I needed to step foot on the ice. You can do it cheaper if you have the time to find used. Sites like eBay are great. Like I said, I didn't have the time though, I bought the equipment thinking I was going to be on the ice the next morning.

Hopefully some more advanced goalies can add to this, as I'm sure they have some more in depth info.

Needed:
Get all these things and you are ready to step on the ice:

Helmet
Neck guard
Throat guard
Chest/shoulder protector
Pants
Jock (I got a regular players jock and a goalie jock)
pads
Goalie skates
Stick
Goalie bag (Wheels are great!!)
Hockey tape
Water BottleGood website for sizing questions:
http://www.summitsportsinc.com/summitonline/ish/guides/goalie.htm#helmet



My setup:

Helmet:
I went with the Itech Envy 7 $350.00
http://www.cyclonetaylor.com/goalie/masks/glmitechenvy7.jpg

Which mask to buy was the hardest choice. I kept hearing what not to buy, and the name Itech kept coming up. From what I have heard, stay away from the 1200 and 1400. although the 1400 may have the cool graphics on it, Sprawl (forum member) clearly referred to it as "The Widow Maker".

After wearing the Envy7 the first time out, I thought it was great. I took a couple pucks to the head and can honestly say that at a beginner level where the shots are not that hard, it worked just fine. I can't vouch for it's protection against a good slap shot since I was playing with all beginners.

Also, don't go for the cat eye cage. You can tell by looking at it that a sticks butt end could easily go through, and when you are playing with beginners, they might not have the best control over their sticks.


Plasic neck guard:
Any will do $30.00

Wear one!! If you cant think of a reason to wear a neck guard and a throat guard, watch this video and you'll never think twice about it again.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=dT4PenDwiPo

Just like I said in respect to the cat eye cage, you are playing with beginners and they might not have the best control over their skates as well.


Throat guard:
Choose what fits $60.00

Watch the video again if you're still not convinced you should wear one.

I made the mistake of getting one without trying it on. Make sure you put it on in the store for a minute. My first one was a little too small and felt like I was being lightly choked. I had to go get a larger fitting one so I could breath and move my neck a lot better.


Chest/shoulder Proector:
Vaughn VP3700 $230.00

http://www.vaughnhockey.com/catalog/images/products/vp_3700-1-large.jpg

I went with something a little bigger and with the most padding I could find. As a new goalie I am hesitant to get a lighter one until I get used to having pucks flying at me.

When I first put this on, I thought it was so bulky I didn't know how I was going to be able to move once I was on the ice. Ended up not being a problem. I was able to move quite freely and felt like I had great protection for every shot. It may look big at first, but you get used to it the second you start playing.

Make sure you check where the elbow pad is. You can adjust it, but only a little bit, so make sure when you try it on at the store, that it is in the right place or can be adjusted to right over your elbow.

Pants:
Whatever fits $140

Pants are pants. I'm sure most of the expert goalies anywhere will tell you differently and they are probably right. However, as a beginner, who cares. As long as they fit, we (as beginners) wont be able to tell the difference between good and bad pants until we get some practice and a good feel for the position.

Jock 1:
Regular players jock shorts 39.99

On the advice of a long time goalie, I wear two cups. A regular jock shorts players cup and a goalie cup.

At first I only bought the goalie cup, but after trying on the equipment I quickly thought that a any shot that may come from an angle going up might make it under the cup and that's not a risk I'm willing to take.

Jock 2:
Goalie cup $60.00

Enough said in jock 1 section.


Skates:
RBK SK 3k $290

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-90879101131287_1974_34021421

If you are like me, and you have skated on regular skates before, these will feel weird to you. Goalie skates do not go up and above your ankle. As a goalie you want to be able to move your ankles as oposed to being a skater where you want your ankle fully stabalized because you don't want any ankle movement. As a skater, you can injure yourself if your ankle isn't fully held in place. Not the case as a goalie.

I tried these on in the store and my first thought was, wow, my ankle can move so much. Don't even worry about it, once you put on the pads with your skates on, you get that ankle support you need and the skates feel much more comfortable and in place.

With that said, make sure you get a pair that fits just like regular skates.

Pads:
Itech 4.8 x Wing $300

http://rs.inlinewarehouse.com/iw/ProductImages/GP48XW-WBS.JPG

My biggest concern was that as a beginner and NOT knowing how to properly drop down to my knees to make a save, I would be going down really hard and I wouldn't have enough protection for my knees.

Tip: Do not consult an ex girlfriend about proper knee protection. Or if you do, make sure you are wearing a mask with more protection then the Envy7. Trust me!! My sence of humour got me in to some trouble.

Even though these Itechs are beginner pads, I can honestly say that after my first time out on the ice, the only part of my body that was not sore was my knees. I didn't feel a thing when my knees hit the ice.

Whatever pads you decide to with, make sure you get good knee protection.

I also wanted to make sure I got quick nap straps. So much easier then regular straps.

As time goes by and I start to get a little bit of skill, I'll upgrade to a nice set of Battram's.


Glove/Blocker:
Used Vaughn $50.00

Courtesy of Sprawl (forum member). After trying on a bunch of new blockers and catchers I decided the best way to go was used. A catcher that is already worked in made it a lot easier to keep the puck in the glove. I made a few good glove saves my first time out and was amazed at how the puck just sat in my glove instead of bouncing out and giving up a rebound. I didn't even have to close my hand which is great for a beginner who's reaction time is a little slower.

A new glove needs to b e worked in and may end up costing a few rebounds in the process.

Stick
Sherwood 2 for $115

Go with whats cheap. I got two Sherwoods at National Sports. Buy one get one half price deal. Cost me $115 total. The day after I bought the wooden Sherwood they announced they will no longer be producing them.

I made sure I got one that I felt comfortable holding in respect to my height and how low I bend when in ready position (which I'm sure will change when I get a little more skill).

Here's a good website: http://www.vaughnhockey.com/news.php?news_id=181



And that is my little blurb. Like I said, it's from one beginner to other beginners. I'm sure better advice can be given by almost anybody on this site, but I know when I was looking for equipment I wished somebody had laid it out in a simple way who could relate. Hopefully I've done that.

Cheers!!

Sprawl
11-17-2007, 05:37 PM
love the post!

the gloves were my Sherwood 9960's. hope they help out. I rarely had popouts with them.

i'm not even going to guess the jokes you made to your Ex or which ex :p

IbeLeaf
11-17-2007, 06:54 PM
Ya, don't ask about the jokes. I've got a horrible sence of humour that my ex girlfriend (who I'm still good friends with), just doesn't get.

The gloves are great. Nice and worked in.

Jase96
11-17-2007, 11:22 PM
whatever u do, don't try on any pro level gear on... I started out like you, going for the cheapest thing I could find on the shelves. Played a few games, did all right, then one day i my friend offered to let me try on his pro set of gear... temptation set in immediately and I eventually replaced all my newb gear for pro gear.

Did i need it? probably not but i couldn't resist. Plus I reasoned myself into thinking that the extra protection was worth it... as well as the extra $2000

IbeLeaf
11-17-2007, 11:33 PM
Thanks for the advice, I'm exactly like you. I've only played once and already I'm looking at custom pads and what kind of more pro equipment is out there.

I have to keep reminding myself I just spent over $2000 I didn't have just for the beginner stuff.

What do you think of my assesment of the beginner stuff? Think it's helpful for newbies like me?

Jase96
11-17-2007, 11:41 PM
Thanks for the advice, I'm exactly like you. I've only played once and already I'm looking at custom pads and what kind of more pro equipment is out there.

I have to keep reminding myself I just spent over $2000 I didn't have just for the beginner stuff.

What do you think of my assesment of the beginner stuff? Think it's helpful for newbies like me?

I think your assessment is pretty bang on. For a newbie goalie we don't "need" all the bells and whistles of the pro gear.... BUT, you know what happened to me now, I succumbed to my WANT over my NEED. For me it was kinda like starting off dating a 5... then i had my one night stand with a 10... and I couldn't ever go back :P

IbeLeaf
11-17-2007, 11:54 PM
I'm already looking at ideas for custom pads and a mask. This sport is going to cost me a lot of money!!

Jase96
11-17-2007, 11:57 PM
I'm already looking at ideas for custom pads and a mask. This sport is going to cost me a lot of money!!

tell me about it.. I think I have lost around $1200 from just offloading my newb gear. If I could ever find someone to take my Cerberus 10 legpads and Eagle Fusion blocker/trapper I would get a set of Battrams that fit properly.

IbeLeaf
11-18-2007, 12:05 AM
Check out my idea for my set of Battrams once I get the money together.

http://goalielife.com/showthread.php?t=159&page=2

They are the black spiderman ones.

Also going to get a painted mask with the same idea.

Jase96
11-18-2007, 04:32 AM
that would be SICK if you could pull that off!

HotBranch!
11-19-2007, 09:24 AM
Good post for those who are considering getting into goaltending.

One minor adjustment I would make is that a dangling throat shield is different from a proper neck guard. The Malarchuck injury would not have been prevented with a "dangler"; it's primary purpose is to protect your throat from puck impact. The neck guard (aka "crouch collar") is an absolute MUST; don't step on the ice without one; it is designed to resist cuts and slashes from skates.

Whether you use a dangler or not is a personal choice. I used to use them, but I didn't like the noise as it hit my mask or the effect it had on my lower peripheral vision. That said, over the years, I have taken a few shots in the upper chest/lower neck area that wouldn't have hurt or bruised me with a dangler.

It is probably a good choice to start with one, but if you have to skimp on your mask to get one, I'd say go for the better protection. To protect against cuts, I suggest the JockPlus one piece undergarment (http://www.hockeygalore.ca/SecureStore/c280860p16773702.2.html), it offers cut protection at the neck and wrists, has an integrated player's cup, and the fabric draws sweat away from the body.

RBK makes one that fits like a tshirt and has integrated clavicle protection (http://www.hockeygalore.ca/SecureStore/c241027p16734847.2.html). I used to wear one of these until I got the unitard.

When considering the quality of equipment, don't assume that pro level gear will protect better than intermediate level gear. The biggest difference is in the construction; pro level gear is built to be used every day; the intermediate level gear will break down sooner if used as frequently. By the time you are playing every day and punishing your gear, you'll be ready for the pro level gear.

There are three areas where you do not want to skimp: your mask, jock, and skates. You can get away with lesser gear everywhere else, but a bad choice in any of these three key areas will have you shying away from the game and the position. You only have one head and one set of reproductive organs; do you really want to run the risk of serious injury to save a few bucks? As for skates, the myth of the goalie being the worst skater on the team is crap. A good pair of skates will help your game tremendously; of the three most important areas to spend on, skates rank 3rd. Get the best you can afford, but make sure they fit properly and wear them around the store for a while; give your feet time to see how they feel in the skates. Don't just try them on while sitting and say "these feel good"; lace up both skates and tell the sales person you want to walk around the store to see how they feel; not an ideal simulation to skating, but it will give you better feedback. As with shoes, try on skates in the afternoon or early evening, when your feet will be at their widest (from a day of walking around).

Sprawl
11-19-2007, 09:40 AM
i dont think we want any lil Ibeleaf's running around soon :p
What a scary weekend!

i will emphasize that your #1 consideration for spending should always be your mask. Your head is by far the most critical component to playing and well living. Get the highest level mask you can afford. EVEN if you're not playing at that level. more protection isn't going to hurt you. Less will.

I'm going to kinda demote jocks in your statement. Any good quality jock combination will work. As long as it's A> Supportive and B> solid built. You don't need to go out and get the highest end triple pro cup jock. it's nice, But a good quality jock will work fine. (I ear a players cup and a Bauer Senior and have taken many slappers to the boys and never even feel it).

Pants are pretty low on the list. as long as they've got a good thigh protection and are comfortable you should be fine.

And believe it or not, PADS are lower on the totem of importance to me. yes a nice custom set of pro pads will last you a longer time, However, the protection of one level to the next isn't going to cause you injury or pain. Improperly sized pads might. But a 32" RBK 6K is going to stop pucks as well as a 32" PS2. Ones just going to be more tailored to you and comfortable and last a hekc of a time longer. if there's a place to skimp on money when starting, it's your pads.

Skates are important. HOWEVER, not so much for the protective safetiness fo them. I stress getting a comfrotable pair as it will dramatically improve your skating ability. Stick within your budget though and you should be fine as there are tons of skate makers in all budget ranges.

I Stress and put a lot of emphasis on your Chest and Arms however. Next to your pads. Most of the pucks should be hitting you square in the chest. fi you do not have a comfortable C/A that offers enough protection your enjoyment fo the game is going to dwindle fast. Nobody wants to play when everytime they take a puck to the gut or chest they're left with bruises and stingers. Or everytime the puck hits their arms they're in agony. OR heaven forbids a misplaced puck stops their heart. Next to your helmet, I say spend the money on a good C/A. You're not going to last very long in the game if you're wincing and closing your eyes anticipating pain everytime a puck is fired at you.

Gloves... This can be geared towards your level of play. However, Beware that even the ****tiest beer leaguers can have a rocket of a shot. Very unexpected when a 300lb neanderthol who's got a gut hanging to his knees fires a rocket at you that knocks you off your feet. Senior levle gloves are ok and will usually fair you well. But if you can. Up the level a little. a pro palm always helps.

IbeLeaf
11-19-2007, 10:28 AM
Great posts!!

Very true about the neck protector. I should have put the Malarchuk video in the other section, but I'm pretty sure it gets the point across.

I totally agree on masks being #1. I spent the most time thinking about what mask to get, and I don't mean which one looks the coolest. I could have easily got a $350 with nice looking graphics but I chose to spend $350 on a plain white mask that has better protection.

It scares me that new goalies will most likely get the iTech 1200/1400 because they look "cool" and also because they are the most common ones you'll find any store. Lucky for me, I had some good advice to stay away from them.

A goalie who doesn't have access to advice from others, might end up finding out the hard way.

HotBranch!
11-19-2007, 01:59 PM
I Stress and put a lot of emphasis on your Chest and Arms however. Next to your pads. Most of the pucks should be hitting you square in the chest. fi you do not have a comfortable C/A that offers enough protection your enjoyment fo the game is going to dwindle fast. Nobody wants to play when everytime they take a puck to the gut or chest they're left with bruises and stingers. Or everytime the puck hits their arms they're in agony. OR heaven forbids a misplaced puck stops their heart. Next to your helmet, I say spend the money on a good C/A. You're not going to last very long in the game if you're wincing and closing your eyes anticipating pain everytime a puck is fired at you.

An excellent point. The C/A you choose has to offer enough protection for the level you play at, and possibly for the next level up. As Sprawl said, it's not good for your game or your enjoyment if each shot to the upper body hurts. In fact, it will dissuade you from wanting to continue, and you'll tense up and wince with every shot that comes in.

I once went the cheap route with my C/A and paid the price with a bruise to my upper chest that lasted 3 weeks. I had originally looked at a pro-level Heaton pad and decided to save some money. I was out buying the Heaton within days of taking that shot to the chest.


Gloves... This can be geared towards your level of play. However, Beware that even the ****tiest beer leaguers can have a rocket of a shot. Very unexpected when a 300lb neanderthol who's got a gut hanging to his knees fires a rocket at you that knocks you off your feet. Senior levle gloves are ok and will usually fair you well. But if you can. Up the level a little. a pro palm always helps.

This is true, but with gloves, the key is to make sure you have good catching technique. A pro palm is no substitute for good cathing technique. Even the rockets will sting with a pro palm; you should always try to catch the puck in the pocket; it's less painful and the puck is less likely to escape your glove. When trying gloves, grab a stick and see how the gloves feel: are they well balanced, do they interfere with the holding/handling of the stick? Don't worry too much about how "game ready" the trapper is. If you can open and close it, the rest of the break in will occur naturally over the course of several games.

Jase96
11-19-2007, 03:06 PM
I'm going to kinda demote jocks in your statement. Any good quality jock combination will work. As long as it's A> Supportive and B> solid built. You don't need to go out and get the highest end triple pro cup jock. it's nice, But a good quality jock will work fine. (I ear a players cup and a Bauer Senior and have taken many slappers to the boys and never even feel it).


I'm gonna have to disagree with that one... I took a bomb the other day from a big beer leaguer right to the cup... Now I've had stingers in the arms and chest before, I'll tell u, I'd much rather have a bruise on my chest/arm than in the nether-region. I was down and out for a good couple mins wincing in pain and agony. I was using a lower-end vaughn single-cup (not banana cup) but after that I immediately upgraded to a double-cup shock-doctor protector from Vaughn. Its much bigger, not as comfortable but after that near-death experience I'm not gonna complain. To me, the two heads are most important.

Sprawl
11-19-2007, 03:45 PM
were you wearing it right?

this is the biggest thing i've noticed about people who've suffiered pain from jock impact. they didnt wear it right.

going to sound funny saying it. BUT unless you've got your package securely in place INSIDE the entirety of the cup, you are wearing it improperly.

that is why i wear 2. players and goalie. Goalie cups tend not to be as secured to your body and tend to be loser to the body leaving your boys unsupported. because they're unsupported. they "drop" and when a puck hits the cup, the impact causes the cup itself to impact the dangling teste's crushing them. in this case, a cup causing as much damage itself.



if you ensure your boys are safely snug inside the perimeter of the cup, you should receve NO damage or injury by a puck impact

Jase96
11-19-2007, 04:11 PM
Unless it shifted during gameplay, I had my "package" securely inside the jock... I make sure I'm comfortable before I slip the pants on overtop. I'm certain the puck directly hit the cup of the jock.

And my new jock has 2 cups so I now where 2 as well.. I can also add another one to my underarmour compression shorts but I think 3 cups is a bit overkill. I'm already having issues squeezing the thighs together with that new huge jock in there.

IbeLeaf
11-20-2007, 05:18 PM
Sprawl, you got to set up a rule that this now a no pictures thread as long as this conversation keeps going.

"Here's an example picture of how not to wear a cup... Notice the hanging."

I totally agree with wearing two cups. At first I just got a goalie jock and realized that when I went down, the cup didn't really go down with "me". went out and got a regular players jock shorts that day and now wear both.

kmacatc
11-21-2007, 04:10 PM
With regards to the throat guard and the dangler issue, I wear both. I will wear both as long as I play. Many times, I have witnessed the EMS response time to the rink that I play at. We are talking 20-30 minutes. If I get a puck to the larynx or a skate blade to the corotid, I will be dead long before EMS arrives. A little retained body heat from the throat guard and a little banging and clanking from the dangler (I honestly don't even notice it any more) aren't much of a nuisance compared to the possible alternative. Death.

Just my thoughts

Slainte!

Sprawl
11-21-2007, 04:15 PM
can't argue that at all. normally i'd completely agree with you. wear all the gear you need to stay safe

I'm just a bum :p. I hate wearing a collar. I feel like i'm choking. havnt found one that doesn't make me feel like i'm going to die just by wearing it. And i don't mean this as "oh i'm mildly uncomfortable" i mean. every single one has felt like it is digging into my larynx and chocking me. even loosely worn..

HotBranch!
11-21-2007, 04:21 PM
Sprawl:

Take a long look at the Jock Plus undergarment. The collar and wrists are made with Kevlar and don't pinch or choke at all. It's not really any different than wearing a crew neck tshirt.

Sprawl
11-21-2007, 04:28 PM
I've never worn a crew neck shrit in my life :p