Got my new set!

[Downfall]

Here are my first impressions.

The whole set looks great!:eek::D

The pads are light and really well built, you can tell a lot of care has been taken in building them. They are sized perfectly and are very comfortable. Straps, straps and more straps! there are so many straps on these things it's crazy, I would say how many but I can't count that high.

The mits are great too, the 5002 catch is really nice and feels broken in already. The blocker is light and looks great!

I had never owned Battram gear before, and I have to say that I'm really impressed with the quality.

Scott has made a believer out of me.

I'll write a review once I get them on the ice a couple of times.

Now go to the Live Chat! it get lonely in there, and Sprawl tells me really weird secrets when we're alone in there.:(:D

[Ryano42]

Pics!!!! :d

[Downfall]

I'll get some tonight after work, otherwise there's some that Scott posted on the Show your gear thread.

[Downfall]

Ok so I tried my new Furys tonight and I was getting a ridiculous amount of over rotation. First I tried the pads the way I wear my 580s, with everything really loose. This was a big mistake, I butterflied the pads way over rotated and slammed my knees really hard into the ice. I quickly started tightening up all the straps, I set them as follows

Toe ties: About 1.5 to 2 inches of slack.

Boot: just a little loose, enough to stick my finger between the strap and the boot.

all calf straps: tight, I really cranked on all of them

Knee lock velcro: tight, tight enough to hurt

lower thigh: somewhat loose, could tightly fit 2 fingers between pad and back of my leg.

Thigh board strap: loose

Next thigh: Looser, could easily fit 3 fingers between strap and my leg.

Tightening the straps helped but still half of my knee hit the ice every time, I had to get off the ice after about 9 shots because me knees started swelling pretty badly.

What am I doing wrong? tightening the straps helped but the thigh straps hurt when I bend my knees.

all in all it was a pretty disappointing evening.:( And my knees hurt like hell.

[Scipio]

I'd try keeping the knee a bit tight as well as the top calf strap and the boot strap. All the others I would put reasonably loose. Every pad I have used I've had rotation problems with until I started strapping them in that fashion, and I am also using 580's right now.

[Scott Battram]

Whenever someone gets new equipment, especially a full set the first time out it never is going to feel quite right. Unless you are used to the particular type of equipment you are wearing, someone like Ryano42 who is on his 5th set of Battram pads will have a far easier adjustment since he is used to the fit and feel...

The biggest problem I see here is your strapping, you need to tighten up the straps if the pad is rotating more than you want it, also make sure the knee strap is snug as well. It is going to take a few outings in the gear to get used to it and get things set up how you like it. Also the pad needs to start breaking in. Leather straps will soften, blocker palms will start to stretch out as they take on moisture (the blocker thing is the biggest thing we hear of when people get blockers, they say the palm is snugg or tight, usually after 3 or 4 outings and some sweat in the palms it will stretch out in size and be much more comfortable on the hand.

[Mitch92]

Downfall,

It sounds like you went from extreme looseness to extreme tightness. Try something in between. I have Verge pads and I use about an inch of slack on the toe laces, pretty loose lower boot strap, slightly snug top boot strap. The rest of my straps are nylon quick release and I wear them somewhat loose. I can do them up easily but there is not a lot of slack. The top two straps I wear on the lower settings and very loose but I also use a knee cradle elastic strap fairly tight to keep my knee in the cradle when I drop. I have never had my knee hit the ice when I drop down to the butterfly and the pads do not over rotate.

as Scott said, experiment and see what works for you. I highly recommend using the elastic knee cradle straps if you are having problems sliding out of your cradles.

[graphicsstoppucks]

Downfall, Can you post some pictures of the Graphics on your pads. Look good play good is what my dads always say.


Bruce

[Moving Target]

I pretty much concur with Mitch's comments. I wear my furies with:

single boot strap - leather - tight
three calf straps - leather - loose - 4th hole
two thigh straps - nylon - very loose
knee elastic - tight
three knee lifts

I'm genuinely surprised to hear that you have had any worries - as I changed from my TPS to Battrams' kit with zero problems.

That said, I have played around with the settings and found what works for me. Both Sprawl and I had similar problems with lack of rotatation, but removing a knee lift has resolved that problem.

Could I suggest you look closer at your knee lifts? - as I struggle to see how your knee leaves the cradle to hit the ice?

[Gregan]

The only straps that really need any tightness on pads these days are the boot strap (and this doesn't have to be THAT tight...) and the knee lock strap. I would make the knee lock strap as tight as is comfortable, this will completely prevent your knee coming off the landing gear.

[Scipio]

Well, my fury leg pads made it to me today! My initial thoughts were "Wow how have I played without these for so long, what the hell was I thinking." These are so amazingly light, more flexible, and more comfortable in general compared to my 580's. And honestly they look like they were made with much better craftsmanship than any other pads I've owned. Guess my wife is gonna have to wait to go out on a dinner date until tomorrow. It's hockey time! Thanks a ton Scott. Fantastic job.

[snaz1]

It took me sum time before I got use to my new cyclones. But I doub't I would change a thing. Just give them some time,I bet you'll like them.

[Ryano42]

Congrats!!!

Full report and pics soon please! :)

[Downfall]

So after a big layoff due to surgery (#8 surgery on my shoulder) I finally got to use my Battram set again. Pad over rotation is still a problem, the only way I get close to having my knee not hit the ice is if I really tighten all the straps to the point where it hurts just standing and it hurts like hell when I bend my knees to butterfly.

It's just really disappointing, I'm sending my blocker to PAW to get the same fix that king tut got on his, because it's nearly impossible to keep the stick in my hand.

So far the only thing that met my expectations is the catch glove, That thing is perfection.

I'm switching back to the leather straps on the pads to see if that has any effect on the over rotation.

[Moving Target]

hey man, can you get some photos from behind? (so we can see your knee?)

[Downfall]

pictures from behind standing up?

[Frozendisc]

I am fairly sure that MT is wanting to see the strap set-up you are using, and where the knee is lining up. Of course, with MT, he might be just trying to get a picture of your backside....

[Sprawl]

big thing i noticed with the furry.

scott includes 3 knee lifts. Take one out so there are only 2. i was getting some weird rotations with all 3 in

[Downfall]

I'll try that. I did notice that my knee sort of hits the edge of the top knee stack and then just slides out. I think you might be on to something here sprawly.

[Jase96]

Did you take out the knee lock strap? If you have that strap tight and everything else loose you should be fine. Since thats what the knee lock is for...

[Moving Target]

I am fairly sure that MT is wanting to see the strap set-up you are using, and where the knee is lining up. Of course, with MT, he might be just trying to get a picture of your backside....

you know me soooooo well

off topic: I want to see where you're knee is placed. Sprawlie and I got under rotation until we loosened up our pads. You seem to have the opposite problem

This said, the knee lifts work really well for me and I cant think how you're managing to hit the ice so heavily?

Like Mrs Sprawls suggest, try two instead of three?

(BTW how much slack do you leave in your skate-ties / toe-bridge?)

[Frozendisc]

I have learned to be wary of you MT.....

Have you taped the knee lifts together so they are not sliding apart when you drop on them?

[Moving Target]

Wary of me? I am disappointed... as a fellow Eurotard, think of me as your strange 'uncle' .....the man who only appears when dad is at the football game :eek:

;) I disgust myself :(

[Frozendisc]

You shouldn't be disappointed, but rather proud, as I am just as disgusted as you......

[Moving Target]

I aim to please Mr.Disc ;)

[Downfall]

I have about 2 inches of slack on the toe, I have the boot strap loose enough that I can fit a finger between the skate and the strap. The three straps on the calf are really tight. Velcro strap is really tight in the cradle. top 2 nylon straps are loose.

[Moving Target]

All I can think is you tighten the boot strap and take in the toe slack to an inch maybe.

Its hard to describe but it sounds to me that the pads aren't simply 'popping' away from your knee in a single motion...

...but might be twisting off your lower leg as you drop into your butterfly?

The answer may not be the knee-lock or the knee-lifts after all - but may actually be generated by your foot folding onto the ice?

[Frozendisc]

I agree, it sounds like the issue is based in the way you are trying to initiate the rotation.

[grimjake1]

I have about 2 inches of slack on the toe, I have the boot strap loose enough that I can fit a finger between the skate and the strap. The three straps on the calf are really tight. Velcro strap is really tight in the cradle. top 2 nylon straps are loose.

I may not be paying attention but dont all Battram come with sliding toe bridges?

[Downfall]

OK, I'm skating tonight so I will be trying the following:

Replaced the nylon straps with leather (I just didn't like the nylon, I'm old school I guess)
Removed one knee stack from each pad.
Reduce slack on toe ties 1"
Tighten up boot strap.

I really hope this works.

I sent my blocker to Sara at PAW, she's going to try to work on the thumb protection to make it a little more 580 like. I hope that works out too.

If none of it works, Scott will get a flaming bag of poo on his door step. hehe j/k :D

[Moving Target]

Hope it goes well for you chap :)

[Downfall]

Well I tried the set up described above and things got worse, the pad would over rotate when i went down. knees hit the ice (ouch! by the way) then I would stand up and the pad would get stuck sideways. I tried loosening the bottom, then the top then tight bottom loose top then all loose, then all tight. it all resulted in failure.

Would a calf wedge or something help?

I don't have money to buy other pads, so have to make these work.

I'm sure Scott wouldn't honor the warranty on these things unless they spontaneously burst into flames or something.

I can't believe how disappointed I am, but I have to say it - Aside from the catch glove, this has been my worst hockey purchase ever.

[EdwardL]

I don't understand how anyone can have trouble with over/under rotation. I've never had any problem with any set of pads I've used. I leave no slack in the toe ties, and strap them moderately tight, and they rotate perfect. I strap them much looser, with no knee lock strap, they still rotate perfect.

[Aubrey]

Where are the pictures?

Aubrey

[Ryano42]

Pics would help...

I had a bit of a over rotation with the Edge pads; solved it by tightening the toe ties a bit and ADDING more knee lifts. (2 to 3)

Hope this helps...I know every pad I've had takes a bit of fit time I hope you and Scott can figure it out! :)

Any questions let me know.

[Lumpy50]

Another thing that hasn't been asked yet is do the pads fit? Did you measure your leg properly and is your knee sitting in the middle of the knee cradle? Do you have a calf lock on these pads? I was having problems with my pads not staying tight enough to my knee with just a knee lock, the pad was pulling away from my knee when I went down. I added a calf lock and things have been great since.
Pics are required to help solve this mystery( or Scooby-Doo)

[Gregan]

I don't understand how anyone can have trouble with over/under rotation. I've never had any problem with any set of pads I've used. I leave no slack in the toe ties, and strap them moderately tight, and they rotate perfect. I strap them much looser, with no knee lock strap, they still rotate perfect.

Agreed... same with me.

Dude, we need some pics of you in your gear to help you solve the problem. Get dressed up at home, do some butterflies and have someone take pictures of you from the back of your pads.

[Scott Battram]

From a personal point of view, every set of pads I have had I just strap them on and play, usually take one knee lift out, strap them snug on the calfs and boot and loose at the tops. I think today too many goalies are trying to make the pads stop the puck for them, rather than them stopping the puck using the pads. I dont even worry about over or under rotation, infact, I never even heard of the terms until a few years back. I see these NHL guys o TV, wearing their pads as loose as possible, and I just wonder how they can do it. With my method, I drop down to a butterfly (back when I could actually do a good one) and the pads roll up, then when I get back up they are in position.

[hroark2112]

Want to trade pads? Mine always UNDER rotated, never had a problem with over rotation.

Send me your address, I'll get them right over to you.

[AL-E-Gator]

From a personal point of view, every set of pads I have had I just strap them on and play, usually take one knee lift out, strap them snug on the calfs and boot and loose at the tops. I think today too many goalies are trying to make the pads stop the puck for them, rather than them stopping the puck using the pads. I dont even worry about over or under rotation, infact, I never even heard of the terms until a few years back. I see these NHL guys o TV, wearing their pads as loose as possible, and I just wonder how they can do it. With my method, I drop down to a butterfly (back when I could actually do a good one) and the pads roll up, then when I get back up they are in position.

I couldn't agree more Scott.

I want to say that the Battram Pads / Gloves / C-A have been the BEST hockey purchases that I've ever made:D. I cannot understand the problems that this fellow has had - as 'back in the day' when I was a kid, the problem was usually that the equipment was too small, or that it was inappropriate for the game (Baseball Glove vs. Battram 5001).

The Pads do not come out of the box and play the net:mad: for anyone. It is the OPERATOR who must install them properly (figure out which straps need to be tightened, etc.) and apply proper technique for them to do their job. Their job is ENTIRELY dependent upon the OPERATOR and his/her application of technique to perform their duty.

I'll make this one time offer - I'll send this fellow a barely used set of ICE CAP Louisville's (Black/White/Silver Lighning Bold) that I have in the Garage (33") from which I changed to my first set of Battrams - I'll send them FOR FREE to him, provided that he send the Pads that You made for him back to You - and You (Scott) can donate them to some Young Kid who would appreciate:D the gear. No out-of-pocket expense to him, and another kid gets a set of pads that he/she wouldn't have been able to afford otherwise. Win-Win situation . . . but I'm sure that later this guy will wish he had his Battram's back . . .

I'll tell all of You out there in Hockey-Land, BATTRAM's are the best:D set of Pads I've ever used, and I've tried 'em all (Cooper, DeRoo, Vaughn, Brian's, Heaton, Eagle, Simmons, Koho, RBK, Louisville . . .). If You are having a problem with the pads, it's more than likely a technical application problem with Your style rather than the pads themselves . . .

One time offer only. I don't want to hear/read anything like this bunk:mad: again.

AL-E-Gator:D

[AL-E-Gator]

Well I tried the set up described above and things got worse, the pad would over rotate when i went down. knees hit the ice (ouch! by the way) then I would stand up and the pad would get stuck sideways. I tried loosening the bottom, then the top then tight bottom loose top then all loose, then all tight. it all resulted in failure.

Would a calf wedge or something help?

I don't have money to buy other pads, so have to make these work.

I'm sure Scott wouldn't honor the warranty on these things unless they spontaneously burst into flames or something.

I can't believe how disappointed I am, but I have to say it - Aside from the catch glove, this has been my worst hockey purchase ever.


:mad: This is a RIDICULOUS statment.:eek:

See the offer that I've provided in the immediately preceeding note. One time offer only. I think that You need to work a bit on making the pads work for You before popping off like this. You have gold in Your hands, and all You can complain about is that the coins aren't shiny enough? How many brands have You tried in the past? I've tried virtually all of them, and at 49 YOA I can say that without a doubt You are wrong.

I'll send these Ice-Caps to Scott, and You can bring Yours back to him - and trade for them. I'm going out of town next week, but can send them when I return on Tax Day (April 15).

Otherwise, take some Pics, and look in the mirror for Your problem.

AL-E-Gator:D

[Frozendisc]

Al.....I think it was determined early on that this was more likely an error in the use of the pads as opposed to something wrong with the pads themselves. I am guessing this is a young person, and frustration combined with youth has caused a poor choice in placing blame on the equipment. We all know that we could take a set of pads that were either too large or small, and make them work better than he has described his pads working.

[hroark2112]

I couldn't agree more Scott.

I want to say that the Battram Pads / Gloves / C-A have been the BEST hockey purchases that I've ever made:D. I cannot understand the problems that this fellow has had - as 'back in the day' when I was a kid, the problem was usually that the equipment was too small, or that it was inappropriate for the game (Baseball Glove vs. Battram 5001).

The Pads do not come out of the box and play the net:mad: for anyone. It is the OPERATOR who must install them properly (figure out which straps need to be tightened, etc.) and apply proper technique for them to do their job. Their job is ENTIRELY dependent upon the OPERATOR and his/her application of technique to perform their duty.

I'll tell all of You out there in Hockey-Land, BATTRAM's are the best:D set of Pads I've ever used, and I've tried 'em all (Cooper, DeRoo, Vaughn, Brian's, Heaton, Eagle, Simmons, Koho, RBK, Louisville . . .). If You are having a problem with the pads, it's more than likely a technical application problem with Your style rather than the pads themselves . . .

One time offer only. I don't want to hear/read anything like this bunk:mad: again.

AL-E-Gator:D

If you don't want to read "bunk" like this, get off the net. The buyer thinks it has been his worst purchase, who are you to tell him he's wrong?? He's entitled to his own opinion.


:mad: This is a RIDICULOUS statment.:eek:

See the offer that I've provided in the immediately preceeding note. One time offer only. I think that You need to work a bit on making the pads work for You before popping off like this. You have gold in Your hands, and all You can complain about is that the coins aren't shiny enough? How many brands have You tried in the past? I've tried virtually all of them, and at 49 YOA I can say that without a doubt You are wrong.

I'll send these Ice-Caps to Scott, and You can bring Yours back to him - and trade for them. I'm going out of town next week, but can send them when I return on Tax Day (April 15).

Otherwise, take some Pics, and look in the mirror for Your problem.

AL-E-Gator:D

Wow. I can't imagine how you have come up with this? Not every pad will work the best for every person. I've owned probably 15 sets of pads over the last 5 years, I've made my mistakes with my pads choices, and I've learned what works for me and what doesn't. Apparently this person is still learning what doesn't work for him, and in his OPINION these pads do not work for him. Who are you to belittle him for his opinion?

Your offer, while nice, isn't really an "apples for apples" trade now, is it?

I think your attitude here is unmerited and rude, and you might want to look in that mirror and find your problem. From your PM's to me about a post of mine in the past, these two posts disappoint and shock me to say the least. I would have expected better from you.

Scott opened this board so people could post their opinions. This person has done so. If Scott had an issue with it, I'm sure he could have and would have posted differently.

Remember, not everyone is going to share your opinion about goaltending equipment. Personally, I have been disappointed in my set of Battram pads as well. Not in the build or the quality, but in the function. I've found my own solution to the problem. I won't go bashing everyone here who happens to like Scott's pads though...wouldn't that be an asinine thing of me to do?

[Ryano42]

Like I said...pads schmads...brand doesn't matter...let's help him work and possibly solve the problem. :)

[Frozendisc]

Everyone on this board seems to be getting thin skin.......If every post is PC, then why have the board, as no one will dare express an opinion!

[Leaferguy]

My opinion is that I haven't read this thread.

That's actually a fact, not an opinion. But I digress...

[Martysgirl74]

Like I said...pads schmads...brand doesn't matter...let's help him work and possibly solve the problem. :)

This is so true. I struggled with under and over rotation, as well as having one pad that refused to rotate back, on my RBK's all of this season.....50 games worth. I went loose, then tight, then loose on some and tight on others, lengthened my toe laces, shortened my toe laces, moved the thigh buckles up to the very top attachments (disaster by the way), I even purchased volleyball knee pads to wear under my pants to protect my knees when they hit the ice. Finally after about 40 games I made one last adjustment that has seemed to do the trick. I moved the thigh buckles to the lowest attachments which allows me to buckle them fairly tight without them being uncomfortable.

I'm not suggesting that this is the magic formula for you, each person is different. What I am suggesting is that you continue to alter something different each time you skate. Make small adjustments, not major ones. Also, sometimes its the things that we think won't work at all that work the best. In warm ups, try changing the way that you drop to your BF just to see if it effects the rotation at all. But most of all give it time, and if you've got volleyball knee pads you can protect yourself while you experiment.:) It took me 40 games to find the strap configuration that worked for me. Eventually, you'll find what works for you and you can leave the knee pads behind.

[Ryano42]

:p Well put! :D

[Sprawl]

I went loose,

Too bad :eek:

But yes, Pads are as individual to the person. In the end they're just tools and the person using them has to be comfortable with the tools they use.

if Downfall's pads don't work for him that is a shame, HOpefully he will find something that will work for him. if he has any questions or wants idea's what to try, we will always be here to help him along his way, Be it in Battram pads or any other pad company

[Goatee220]

Well I tried the set up described above and things got worse, the pad would over rotate when i went down. knees hit the ice (ouch! by the way) then I would stand up and the pad would get stuck sideways. I tried loosening the bottom, then the top then tight bottom loose top then all loose, then all tight. it all resulted in failure.

Would a calf wedge or something help?

I don't have money to buy other pads, so have to make these work.

I'm sure Scott wouldn't honor the warranty on these things unless they spontaneously burst into flames or something.

I can't believe how disappointed I am, but I have to say it - Aside from the catch glove, this has been my worst hockey purchase ever.

This is quite harsh, and quite frankly unfair.

[Frozendisc]

If one was awash in frustration at having spent a bunch of money on something, then not be able to get it to work as expected, one might be a bit harsh and unfair.....

[Punisher]

or one could know what they want and stick to it.
I'm sorry but i know exactly what i want in a pad and gloves.
Therefor, the maker also will know exactly.
The maker can take your requirements and work from there on, if he's no good, you'll end up with something you dislike, if he's good, you'll end up with something you like/ love.
Scott in my opinion belongs to the first kind.
Sure there are a few things i would change in my glove if i order again, but overall i am happy, mostly because i expressed what i wanted as clearly as i could.
For pads i would not work with standard sizes, but with exact measurements, i don't say +1 or +2 i say how much i want from the knee up.
my strapping is pretty oldschool, i don't like the straps going diagonally over my knee, that is why i will tell the maker this, because it's vital.
Use, learn, adjust, repeat.

It's a circle.
I'm sorry you are in this situation but do play around with the strappings etc, you might like a situation you didn't expect in the beginning.

some pads rotate like your legs are made of grease even if they are strapped snug. some wont.

Pun

[hroark2112]

If one was awash in frustration at having spent a bunch of money on something, then not be able to get it to work as expected, one might be a bit harsh and unfair.....

I would go so far as to say that if someone spent $1000 on something that they are having problems getting to work properly, it might not even be "harsh and unfair" of them to express their frustration.

What IS unfair is for people to bash someone because they are frustrated.

Personally, I would love to try the Nexus pads...but after my experience with the Edge pads, I won't spend $1000 on the pads. I don't need another set of pads that, while they look great, just sit in my spare room wasting space. I can understand his frustration, and I think some people here are being harsh and unfair to him.

[Frozendisc]

I would go so far as to say that if someone spent $1000 on something that they are having problems getting to work properly, it might not even be "harsh and unfair" of them to express their frustration.

What IS unfair is for people to bash someone because they are frustrated.

Personally, I would love to try the Nexus pads...but after my experience with the Edge pads, I won't spend $1000 on the pads. I don't need another set of pads that, while they look great, just sit in my spare room wasting space. I can understand his frustration, and I think some people here are being harsh and unfair to him.

As I said, he is just frustrated, and some of the things that have been said are unfair. By him and to him.....

[Sprawl]

well, I understand being upset with buying somethin that didn't work for you.

However, being dissatisfied with it because you can't work with it, is a lot different than there being something fundamentally wrong with the equipment.

Unless there is something broken, ripped, or built completely wrong, The pads are built to spec's requested, than the manfucturer didn't do anything wrong and this is purely a matter of unfortunate circumstances.

I don't think in this case the manufacturer is at fault. Nor is the buyer. it's just one of those "ah ****" moments. Time to probably sell them and move on.

[Frozendisc]

well, I understand being upset with buying somethin that didn't work for you.

However, being dissatisfied with it because you can't work with it, is a lot different than there being something fundamentally wrong with the equipment.

Unless there is something broken, ripped, or built completely wrong, The pads are built to spec's requested, than the manfucturer didn't do anything wrong and this is purely a matter of unfortunate circumstances.

I don't think in this case the manufacturer is at fault. Nor is the buyer. it's just one of those "ah ****" moments. Time to probably sell them and move on.

I couldn't disagree more, now is not the time to give up on the pads. He just needs to keep working with them, adjusting the straps, and perhaps working on his technique....this last aspect being the one most likely the cause of the biggest issue, as I am certain the pads were constructed perfectly.

[hroark2112]

Please don't get me wrong here, I'm NOT pointing fingers at Scott here. Stuff happens, and you learn valuable lessons sometimes. Me...I won't buy new pads unless I can try a set first, or at least can try them on in a store & do a few carpet flys. I've bought a few used sets, to try different stuff and see what I like.

[Sprawl]

I couldn't disagree more, now is not the time to give up on the pads. He just needs to keep working with them, adjusting the straps, and perhaps working on his technique....this last aspect being the one most likely the cause of the biggest issue, as I am certain the pads were constructed perfectly.

I wouldn't give up either. After 3 sets of pads I've owned, all completely different in constrcutions (Cooper Reactor 4's, RBK 5K's and Battram Fury) I have discovered that every pad can work if you make them work. The only difference is the features of each".

over rotation / Under rotation are things usually more attributed to the goalie than the pads themselves. especially in pads that have been made probably thousands of times and usually work.

if in Downfalls case there is issue with constant over rotation on both sides, It is most likely something with the strapping or the way he drops into the butterfly. I have adjusted the strapping on my Fury's time after time from tight to loose and different boots, and toe tie method and almost get a perfect rotation all the time.

[Goatee220]

I can certainly understand being frustrated, especially when you pay a lot of money for a product. But saying that Scott wouldn't honor a warranty unless the pads burst into flames (or whatever) is unfair. Everyone here has been very willing to help Downfall find a strapping configuration that would work for him, but instead he just chose to bash Scott, via that statement.

[Downfall]

Wow it loos like this post grew a lot over the weekend. I haven't read the whole thing but judging by the last couple of posts, people are up in arms that I don't like my pads.

I'm sure many or all of you have had a great experience with your Battram products. I'm really happy for you, I honestly am. Unfortunatelly for me the experience has been extremely disapointing. I have tried everything suggested, but the pads still over rotate, with the right pad over rotating more than the left.

Someone said that my warranty statement was unfair and harsh. Well I spent a large sum of money on this set of equipment and I just want it to work properly, so far the only effort on the manufacturer's side has been a lecture about how in the old days goalies mades saves not pads. Which is why I consider this experience to be all the more disappointing. The product is not working as expected to the point that it's creating injury, so I do not believe my comment was harsh or unfair.

My intent is not to bash Battram, my only goal is to get these pads to work. I do not have the money to buy other pads, I can't afford to sell these pads because I would loose 50% of the value right off the bat. I paid a large sum of money for them and I just want them to work. Simple.

Thanks to all that have made suggestions to try to help.

[Goatee220]

I understand your frustration - and I'm sorry to hear you aren't happy with the pads. Is there someone you can meet with in person to help you configure the pads? Scott's probably too far away - but is there someone at your local shop, or at your rink to help? How about the Hockey Giant in Bloomington? Or even another member here that isn't too far? You live in a hockey hotbed. At the very least, some pics might help. Who knows? It could be a quick fix. Don't give up - I'm sure you can find a way to make these work for you.

[Scott Battram]

I just looked back on this order, one thing that needs to be noted is these pads were made 12.5" wide as per the customers request. I am quite certain most of the guys getting great rotation are in 12 and 11" pads, this is certainly the only factor I can see being different than the other customers pads. So, it is going to come down to a sizing problem in the end, more than likely these pads could very well be too large for the customer.

I have also spent time trying to help you with the problem, but some pads wont work well for everyone.

I do my best to help out customers, but there is a point where there isnt much more that can be done on my behalf. If I can make 9 out of 10 people happy, I think I am doing something right, there always is the 1 person who cannot be pleased and I have accepted that is the reality of business, as much as I would like every customer happy, I know that is simply not possible. I really would like to see some photos of you in these pads, as others have asked for as well.

[Jase96]

Well I tried the set up described above and things got worse, the pad would over rotate when i went down. knees hit the ice (ouch! by the way) then I would stand up and the pad would get stuck sideways. I tried loosening the bottom, then the top then tight bottom loose top then all loose, then all tight. it all resulted in failure.

Would a calf wedge or something help?


Here are a few things I did to solve my problems. My pads over rotated when I first got them, in my old C10's I liked everything loose and it worked well. Thought I'd do the same with the Nexuseseses and that didn't work so well out of the box. So I did some experimenting, when I first got them, my knee kept missing the landing gear and would hit the ice. I wear knee pads so it wasn't a big deal except when that happens, the pads would over-rotate like your case. Eventually what worked for me was benching the pads for a few days straight and now they are nice and curvy. I removed the knee lock and just go flaps-out (Luongo stylez). I the top nylon quick-release strap to the top attachment (inner side), and the other end to the attachment under the knee (outter side). I have this strap fairly snug so it keeps a nice S curve permanently (give mes awesome bfly closure). Everything closes and flexes beautifully now. I was not happy at first but after doing some due diligence the pads are fantabulous.

Gloves are another story, i am sending them back to Scott for some fixing. I still find the blocker stiff as hell, I think there needs some more slack were the finger blocks are attached to the underside of the blocker. The side panel for the index finger needs to be removed too. Everything is just too tightly sewn together IMO. The trapper is very very good with an excellent break, only complaint is that the trapper does have a cap when it closes, making it prone to pop-outs. Scott's said hes figured out the problem for this (thanks to my bitching :D) and all the newer nexus gloves no longer have this problem (yay).

If I had to reorder the pads though, I think the calf wedge would be a great idea to have, I think i would order it with them. But it does add some weight, so theres the offset.

[Frozendisc]

Wow it loos like this post grew a lot over the weekend. I haven't read the whole thing but judging by the last couple of posts, people are up in arms that I don't like my pads.

I'm sure many or all of you have had a great experience with your Battram products. I'm really happy for you, I honestly am. Unfortunatelly for me the experience has been extremely disapointing. I have tried everything suggested, but the pads still over rotate, with the right pad over rotating more than the left.

Someone said that my warranty statement was unfair and harsh. Well I spent a large sum of money on this set of equipment and I just want it to work properly, so far the only effort on the manufacturer's side has been a lecture about how in the old days goalies mades saves not pads. Which is why I consider this experience to be all the more disappointing. The product is not working as expected to the point that it's creating injury, so I do not believe my comment was harsh or unfair.

My intent is not to bash Battram, my only goal is to get these pads to work. I do not have the money to buy other pads, I can't afford to sell these pads because I would loose 50% of the value right off the bat. I paid a large sum of money for them and I just want them to work. Simple.

Thanks to all that have made suggestions to try to help.

Downfall,

1, Battram owes you nothing, and for certain they have no obligation to teach you how to use the equipment you purchased. They provided the items ordered, as ordered....end of obligation. The fact that Scott is willing to try and help you is a testiment to his commitment to customer service.
2, Your negative comments are not getting you any closer to these pads working better, so as I can understand the frustration, stay focused on the true goal.
3, I would be willing to bet you if you went into almost any hockey shop or rink, asked for some help, you would find more people willing to dial these pads in than you could have ever thought possible!
4, It may seem that everyone on this board is a die hard Battram supporter, reality is that quite a few use pads other than Battram. As shown, if given the chance, almost everybody is willing to try to help you, take advantage of this.....

[Downfall]

Frozen,

Wrong, Battram owes me customer service. If Battram views my asking for help as a favor, well it is an unfortunate business choice.

The pads that I bought are not working as they should, I would expect some sort of customer service since the pads do come with a warranty.

To be honest, and I don't mean to be rude to you, but unless you're trying to help me like some of the other guys on here... well I just don't care what you have to say. Sorry, I just want to get this very expensive equipment working so that I can play some hockey, that's all. I'm not asking for a new set of gear or a refund, I just want a fix.

If it hurts your feelings that I don't like Scott's product, sorry. It's just not working out for me. The pads and the gloves look great, as I stated in the first post, I just want them to work right.

[Moving Target]

Photos chap!...thats the only thing that I can say at the moment.

Unless we can see whats happening to you, we're running out of options.

:)

[Leaferguy]

My only question is that if you simply wanted this "fixed" by Scott, why didn't you deal with him in private before going to the lengths you've gone on the board? Seems like you wanted to use the public nature of this post to influence his decision making process.

Edited to add that I've never purchased a piece of gear from Scott. I planned on buying a blocker, but cash fell through and then a friend gave me a first-gen Velo with the board I wanted :D

[Scott Battram]

I spent several PM's helping him with the "problem" when he first got the pads back in June. I really cant think of anything else for him to try.

[Ryano42]

I gave him some ideas to try today in chat...hope they help :)

[Bassai]

You have made several different posts asking about different things such as toe ties, how the straps go, etc. I'm not going to go back through and read them all trying to sort out where what you were saying went from general how to questions to "I've got a problem here."

What I am wondering is how much have your tried to get a resolution from Scott by dealing with him directly by phone or by email versus making posts here? I believe that on more than one occaision you said its a customer service issue and also mentioned the warranty. What is it that Scott is not providing in customer service? Below is the warranty Scott makes on his web site. What has he not lived up to?




RETURN POLICY
http://www.battram.com/images/BANNERbarRIGHT.gif Our reputation as a quality company and our commitment to customer satisfaction ensures our customers that they will be 100% satisfied with our products. Returns are very rare; when they do occur, they are almost always the result of poor communication or inaccurate information regarding the appropriate size of the equipment. Please ensure that the equipment which you order is appropriate for your size and requirements. If you have any questions concerning the proper fit of your goal equipment, we are always available and eager to answer them for you. (To find the size of pad that's right for you, please check our page on selecting your new goal pads.) When ordering with a credit card, the card will be billed within 2 weeks of your order being placed in order to guard against credit card fraud.




Authorization for return must be given in the form of writing from Battram Custom Goal Equipment, before returning any goods for exchange. Our top quality manufacturing techniques ensure that the quality of our products will never be cause for return, as each piece of gear is carefully inspected at numerous stages of the production process. If you are not satisfied that your Battram gear meets standards as outlined for the product, we will fix or replace the equipment. Refunds are provided for goods that have not been used at Battram's discretion regarding reason for return request. Sorry, no refunds on custom equipment (any product that has been customized in either special graphics or unique modifications to the product design).http://www.battram.com/images/BANNERbarLEFT.gif
GENERAL





http://www.battram.com/images/BANNERbarRIGHT.gifhttp://www.battram.com/images/REDbullet.gifALL BATTRAM PRODUCTS CARRY A LIMITED LIFETIME WARRANTY AGAINST MANUFACTURER'S DEFECTS....
http://www.battram.com/images/REDbullet.gifALL BATTRAM PRODUCTS CARRY A LIMITED LIFETIME WARRANTY AGAINST MANUFACTURER'S DEFECTS.

[Frozendisc]

Frozen,

Wrong, Battram owes me customer service. If Battram views my asking for help as a favor, well it is an unfortunate business choice.

The pads that I bought are not working as they should, I would expect some sort of customer service since the pads do come with a warranty.

To be honest, and I don't mean to be rude to you, but unless you're trying to help me like some of the other guys on here... well I just don't care what you have to say. Sorry, I just want to get this very expensive equipment working so that I can play some hockey, that's all. I'm not asking for a new set of gear or a refund, I just want a fix.

If it hurts your feelings that I don't like Scott's product, sorry. It's just not working out for me. The pads and the gloves look great, as I stated in the first post, I just want them to work right.

Downfall,

I don't feel you are being rude at all, and in fact I understand your consternation, and would help you in any way I could.

Scott has attempted to help you numerous times, as he is commited to customer service, but what do you want him to do?

An honest question and answer should be asked here: Do you feel these pads would not function regardless of who was using them? If you say yes, then there is a flaw in the final configuration. If the answer is no, then all we need to do is get them dialed in to you, and your style. I think everyone on this board would be willing, and in fact have been trying, to help on this.

My feelings about how you perceive Battram gear matters not. I have no stake in the company at all. I don't agree with you about it not working out for you, not just yet, as I still think the pads can be dialed in to work out just fine. There are a ton of little tricks we all use, and I think we can, as a group, get you happy with your pads.

[Richie Rich]

The first few times I tried the Nexus pads, I was experiencing rotation problems and my knee falling of the knee stack. It took me a few games but I was able to get the pads working for me. The problem I had was that I was putting them on the same way as I was with my McKenney pads. I use to have some slack on the toe tie as well as keeping the straps loose. I ended removing the slack from the toe tie as well as tightening up the straps a little.

[Ryano42]

Keep working with them...the "loose knee stack" solution worked for me! :)

For the record I have NEVER had pads work well right away...even when staying with the same model. Some have taken as much as two months of adjustment, trial and error to get working well.

I usually run the new and old pads "in parallel" for a while only using the new ones in practice, changing ONE variable at a time. When I went from Verge to Edge this was a long process and eventually I got it.

I hope the changes we talked about today will help. Use this board to help!

[Gregan]

This thread is useless without pics.

Seriously.

Don't pay any more attention to the guy unless he shows us pics of what's going on.

[Martysgirl74]

This thread is useless without pics.

Seriously.

Don't pay any more attention to the guy unless he shows us pics of what's going on.

This and a few other comments in this thread are completely unnecessary. If you're gonna be rude do it at that other place!:mad: Frankly, I'm disappointed.

[Frozendisc]

This and a few other comments in this thread are completely unnecessary. If you're gonna be rude do it at that other place!:mad: Frankly, I'm disappointed.

What comments are unnecessary? Who is being rude to you, or anyone else for that matter? The guy is just bummed out his pads are not working up to his expectations, which has led to some understandable frustration.

[Martysgirl74]

What you fail to understand here is that a lot of us have come over from BSBB because we were sick of people acting like A$$hats and treating others like crap. WE would like this bb to be something different. Unless you set the example how are others going to follow?

[Sprawl]

been thinkin more on this

since you went with 12.5" this is a big change in standard thinking. you're lifting your leg nearly 1" extra off the ice

or should be. without enough knee stacks you're leg falls further and pulls the pad back. Over rotation. and then cause it pulls back slips off.

with that pad height try this next

ad another knee stack or two. get your knee lifted right up. so that when you try to bfly you're landing directly on an elevated stack and your knee doesn't fall. Loose your back bootstrap a little more to allow a slight drop taking pressure off your hips with a looser toe tie. let your boot slightly droop. But tie your leg straps fairly tight. in fact, you might need tos witch to all leather straps as nylon generally isn't meant for tight strapping.

this should hold your leg in place

[Tipsy]

Sprawlie,

I completely agree with that thinking. It makes alot of sense.

[Frozendisc]

What you fail to understand here is that a lot of us have come over from BSBB because we were sick of people acting like A$$hats and treating others like crap. WE would like this bb to be something different. Unless you set the example how are others going to follow?


Again, who is being rude to you, or anyone else? What comments are making you feel this board is denegrating below some standard you feel compelled to impose on all?

[Sprawl]

On second thought

This isn't the BSBB.

thread is back open

HOWEVER, i'm asking that this thread go back on track to helping Downfall get these pads working for him and not go onto a bitch session with each other.

[Frozendisc]

I can only assume you, Sprawl, closed this thread at some point, then decided not to. Which is a good thing, as I think we can help Downfall with his pads, but Downfall needs to participate or we are chasing ghosts......

[Oil Machine]

PICTURES would really help.
i know when i ordered my pads. i knew EXACTLY what i wanted. and the mods i needed, and they were done..,
so i can say i have had problems..

but let us help.. but were gonna need pics of your problem :D

for example. i use a double toe strap to correct over rotation....

works great for me :D...

[Moving Target]

Downfall!

Me, pun, ryano, lars, sprawlie, bassai and goalie61(steve) all discussed this issue this morning in Chat

the collective thought was that you now add knee stacks to help adjust to the 12.5 width of the pad

The feeling was - and completely contradicting our original advice - is that you need to gain that 0.5" height when you butterfly... and possibly not fall out of the knee lock. We assumed that your width was Traditional or NHL - not as it seems , wider

again - photos would really help

hang in there - we'll come up with something positive ;)

[Jase96]

Wearing kneepads might help also fill up some gap in the knee area to help with over rotation.

[bengal34]

So as a recap. What have you specifically done to the strapping of the pads and how are they currently performing?

[Martysgirl74]

Hey guys, nice brainstorming session. I think you're onto something, but we probably should let the poor guy get some icetime before we throw any more suggestions at him. :)

[Frozendisc]

I was talking with Scott the other day, I mentioned this topic, and I got the impression that Downfalls pads are 13.5.....which is much wider than any of us would have ever guessed. This could be the problem, as Scott seemed to think that is alot of pad, and when you get a rotation started it just keeps going.

[Scott Battram]

12.5" Frozen, Al-E-Gators are 13"

[Frozendisc]

My bad....sorry!

[Gregan]

This and a few other comments in this thread are completely unnecessary. If you're gonna be rude do it at that other place!:mad: Frankly, I'm disappointed.

Wasn't trying to be rude, my apologies.

I honestly just don't think we're going to be able to help Downfall out without pictures of the situation.

[jambon]

This and a few other comments in this thread are completely unnecessary. If you're gonna be rude do it at that other place!:mad: Frankly, I'm disappointed.


You mean the Chat Room???;):confused:


That's the difference here... we ARE allowed to critique and criticize if we have an issue. There was no bashing... there was concern that these weren't the pads he expected. For him... they just plain don't work.
It happens. Is he happy with the workmanship? yes! Do they work for him? apparently not.
I fully understand that this is Scott's board and he makes, from what I understand having never been in touch with equipment made by him, very high quality gear. Awesome!! I look forward to dealing with you sometime.

However... if someone doesn't like something, we can't all shoot that person down either... Some things just don't work for some people. We can appreciate Scott's work (and I think we should), but we shouldn't all become fan-boys every time someone can't get a Battram product to work for them, whether they question the product or not. I've seen Scott's products for sale barely used... so what! It just didn't work for that individual. I see Bauer, Itech, Vaughn, etc etc... all the time. Same reasons.

Anyhow... let's continue to try to help, and hope things work out. I think someone would probably want to pick these from you for much more than 50% if not.

I think the .5 is the difference, especially if it was centered and all other specs stayed the same. I agree that adding some padding may help a bit, but I also think that your boot has to be more medial to make a bigger difference (tho not sure that can be done.).

Rant over...

"Jambon... STFU!";):)

[Punisher]

STFU you retarded gnome or I'll come over and punch your lights out, and step on your toadstool :p


big pads, strap them tight.
get extra knee-stack to solve the hight difference, if this puts strain on your knee, you might want a calf-riser as well. all are easy mods.
but i strap my pads semi tight and with the traditional set up of straps.
top strap is medium snug to pull the tight rise in (flexible pads)
knee-strap is semi loose, 3 straps over the calf are two holes from tight.
bootstraps are tight to pull my pad on to my skate, (8.5 shoe size) might take some of the boot for my next set.
toetie has about 2.5" on it.
however they rotate very nicely and seal really well.(bear in mind i don't have battrams but miklins)
i also have a leg channel, so my pads pretty much return to where i want them.
and all leather straps.

My suggestion is play around.

pun.

[Downfall]

Scott I sent you a PM with a question about measurement help with the knee lifts can you please help when you get a chance.

thanks

[Scott Battram]

I will die cut out out lift, scan it then mark the distances on the scan so you will have all the measurments, they are all slightly different, so you will need to see them on the actual die cut part.

[Downfall]

Thank you, greatly appreciated.